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Soumik

#1 Posted 10:35pm 17-03-10  

Easiest of All...

Can we find a non-const. Polynomial which is prime for all integers x?

The co-efficents of the Polynomial are all integers.
   

Ricky

#2 Posted 01:17am 18-03-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

Let ' s assume there exists a non - constant polynomial F ( x ) such that eventually it takes all the

values of prime numbers .

Suppose for a particular value of x , say x = 1 , F ( x ) = P , where P is a prime number .

So we get , F ( 1 ) ≡ 0 ( mod P )

But for all integers Y , F ( 1 + PY ) = 0 ( mod P )

Hence , F ( 1 + PY ) cannot be a prime number as it is divisible by P .

So the only option left , is that F ( 1 ) = F ( 1 + PY ) .

But that also is not permissible as F ( x ) is not a constant function by our assumption .

So we conclude that there exists no such non - constant polynomial which can generate all the

prime numbers .

[hide]To prove that , F ( 1 + PY ) = 0 ( mod P ) ----- >

One can assume F ( x ) = a[ss]0[/ss] x [p]n[/p] + a[ss]1[/ss] x [p]n - 1[/p] + .............

So F ( 1 ) = a[ss]0[/ss] + a[ss]1[/ss] + a[ss]2[/ss] + .............. = P

And F ( 1 + PY ) = a[ss]0[/ss] ( 1 + YP ) [p]n[/p] + a[ss]1[/ss] ( 1 + YP ) [p]n - 1[/p] + .........

                        = { a[ss]0[/ss] + a[ss]1[/ss] + ................ } + YP ( ...............) - - - - - - -> { by binomial expansion }
                        = P + YP ( ................... )

Clearly , F ( 1 + PY ) is divisble by P also .[/hide]        
" BLACK HOLES RESULT FROM GOD DIVIDING THE UNIVERSE BY ZERO !!!!!! " ------ GALLARDO    

Soumik

#3 Posted 1:23pm 18-03-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

Yes, that's correct.

Alternately, we have for integers x' and k, [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?P%28x%27%29%3Dk[/im].

Now substitute [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?%28x%27+k%29[/im] in place of x' and see the fun.
 Edited on 1:27pm 18-03-10    

theprophet

#4 Posted 1:36pm 18-03-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

That's for polynomials in a single variable. I remember reading about a polynomial in some 10 variables that generates primes. Lets see if I can locate that source
   

Nishant

#5 Posted 0:08pm 28-04-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

prophet sir, is that really true!

I thought that there exists none! I would be really interested in reading this one..


One argument, that i could give is that when all the 10 variables take the same value, it reduces to a polynomial of one variable.. which cannot have all values as primes..

Hence a polynomial of more than one varaiable too cannot!
-when spring comes, it melts the snow one flake at a time…  Edited on 1:25pm 28-04-10    

theprophet

#6 Posted 11:19am 15-07-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

I located it at last! (whew!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_for_primes

He gives an example with 26 variables where +ve values taken by the polynomial are all the primes.

Note that he quotes a theorem by a Russian mathematician named Matiyasevich which already proves that such a polynomial will exist. So, a 10 variable one is also possible (thank god for that, i was wondering whether i was talking through my hat when I said that). That theorem is a landmark one as it decided a long standing problem named Hilbert's 10th problem
 Edited on 2:31pm 15-07-10    

Soumik

#7 Posted 1:44pm 20-07-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

WOW! Big stuff up here....[152]
   

theprophet

#8 Posted 4:47pm 20-07-10  

Re: Easiest of All...

Ya, quite some level of abstraction. I was simply following links and I read this Matiyasevich theorem and in that link this 10th degree polynomial was mentioned. My joy and relief knew no bounds :D
   
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