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eureka123

#1 Posted 08:04am 08-03-10  

i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

5 ladies and 5 gents are to be arranged in a row..Find no. of ways so that no two ladies are together

Method 1
place 5 gents on 5 seats(leaving one space) with 5! ways and then we have 6! ways to place ladies in vacant seats
ans=6!.5!

Method 2
Total ways to arrange 10 people =10!

Taking all ladies together ,no. of ways=5!.6!

so ans is 10!-(6!.5!)


which method is correct ????????



[hide]and ya ...ans is 6!.5!....but atleast tell me my mitskae plzzz[/hide]
   

eureka123

#2 Posted 08:06am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

Q2 whats max power of 24 by which 25! is divisble
   

UTTARA

#3 Posted 08:13am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

Method wise 2 seems correct

Becz In Method 1 Apart from those alternating cases u may have one case this way too

L G G L G L G L G L
But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.  Edited on 08:21am 08-03-10    

eureka123

#4 Posted 08:18am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

so whats the problem here ??
L G G L G L G L G L

no 2 ladies together condition is staisfied...
   

UTTARA

#5 Posted 08:20am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

This is not very logical but

25 ! ---> 2 x 12 ;

3 x 8 ;

4 x 6 ;

24 ;


3 x 4 x 2 (from  9 14 16) ;

3 x 4 x 2 (from 9 16 18 ) ;

3 x 4 x 2 (from 15 16 22) ;

SO  7 ??

But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.  Edited on 10:16am 08-03-10    

UTTARA

#6 Posted 08:22am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

@eureka :

Ya So I say that ans must have been 2

Wonder y its given the other way [7]
But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.    

eureka123

#7 Posted 08:25am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

hmm....still wondering abt Q1 becoz both ways it seems right..

for Q2 i dont have ans...but if u r 100% confident with ur method ,,theni accept ur soln...otherwise we can wait for a someone else to chip in with some for facts
   

madhumitha

#8 Posted 08:32am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

in Q1, the 2nd method is wrong because it does not account for the cases in which less than 5 but more than 1 ladies are together.
Madhu    

UTTARA

#9 Posted 08:39am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

NO Madhu eureka's Qs says that no 2 ladies r together

So the ladies r to be separated by 1 or 2 or ...  gents such that they r never together
But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.    

madhumitha

#10 Posted 08:40am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

@ Uttara,
yeah method one also includes case L G G L G L G L G L....but this is not a contradiction, as it still satisfies the condition that no two ladies should be together....and so method 1 is right.
Madhu    

madhumitha

#11 Posted 08:41am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

yes I agree with u, that is why answer given is right, and method is the first one
Madhu  Edited on 08:43am 08-03-10    

madhumitha

#12 Posted 08:58am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

the 2nd method is wrong because, it makes sure that 5 ladies arent together..but it does not make sure that 2,3,4 ladies arent together
Madhu    

Asish

#13 Posted 09:54am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

For Q1. second method is wrong.

reason is madhu's post given in #12

Q2. 24 = 2[p]3[/p].3[p]1[/p]

Find exponentr of 2 and 3 in 25!
25! = 2[p]22[/p].3[p]10[/p]I (I is integer) = 2[p]21[/p].3[p]7[/p].2.3[p]3[/p]*I
     = 8[p]7[/p]*27*2*I

So, ans is 7
IIT has walked to me ... off to IIT K  Edited on 10:16am 08-03-10    

UTTARA

#14 Posted 10:00am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

Asish u made a calc mistake

Ans is coming out to be 8

Check ur last step !!
But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.    

UTTARA

#15 Posted 10:02am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

Ya Even I made the same mistake as eureka

Ya u people r correct

So ans is 1st method
But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.    

Asish

#16 Posted 10:02am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

@uttara.. method 1 is definitely correct..

Q2. can u illustrate the mistake in My solution..

I cant seem to find it.. (perhaps due to boards tension..)
IIT has walked to me ... off to IIT K    

Amber

#17 Posted 10:05am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

2nd method is wrong .
in 2nd method you have to subtract cases of 2,3 & 4 ladies together.
   

madhumitha

#18 Posted 10:13am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

Uttara, can u explain why ashish's answer is wrong?
Madhu    

UTTARA

#19 Posted 10:17am 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

No Sorry

Ure correct Asish I was getting 8 I mistook 3[p]3[/p] 2  as  2[p]3[/p] 3

But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.    

eureka123

#20 Posted 4:54pm 08-03-10  

Re: i simple dont understand why i get these dbts at this time of yr....

thx everyone [1]
   
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