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Kaustab

#1 Posted 5:28pm 11-03-10  

Nice Integral-~~~~

plz solve

1) [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\int_{0}^{\infty}{\frac{1}{(x^2+a^2)(x^2+b^2)}}dx[/im]

2) [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\int_{0}^{\pi}{log(1-6cosx+9)}dx[/im]

3)[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\int_{0}^{1}{\frac{x^{a-1}-x^{-a}}{(1+x)logx}}dx[/im]
"lead,follow or get out of the way"    

govind

#2 Posted 5:43pm 11-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

in the first question use partial fractions...
[image]43809400.jpg[/image]

[image]43809545.jpg[/image]..
on putting the limits u will get..

(A/a + B/b)π/2...
   

Kaustab

#3 Posted 5:49pm 11-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

ok wat abt rest of them

"lead,follow or get out of the way"    

Amber

#4 Posted 6:06pm 11-03-10  

1

[image]43810969.jpg[/image]
   

Philip

#5 Posted 9:04pm 11-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

In the 2nd one have you written 1 + 9 instead of 10 deliberately or is there a typo ?
The map is not the territory.    

Kaustab

#6 Posted 11:22am 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

no thats not a typo
"lead,follow or get out of the way"    

Tapas

#7 Posted 2:21pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

2 can be broken into integral of (below) and 2log2 parts;

[image]43883859.jpg[/image]
   

govind

#8 Posted 2:45pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

@Tapas..can u plz explain ur method..
   

Che

#9 Posted 3:22pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

substitute [im]http://alt2.mathlinks.ro/latexrender/pictures/d/d/2/dd22688bc564e64b5a901a619e3e8c4e42a9cc51.gif[/im]

P.S use of mathematica shud be avoided [im]http://www.mathlinks.ro/images/smiles/wink.gif[/im]
Photobucket  Edited on 3:25pm 12-03-10    

eureka123

#10 Posted 10:38pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

@tapas......
i think it has been reminded to u a lot of times [b]NOT TO USE MATHEMATICA ON THIS SITE[/b] [16][16]
   

Nishant

#11 Posted 11:17pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

tapas.. i agree to the other comments.. I dont knwo what you are trying to prove by posting these fro mathematica....  


Please try not to use this on the site.. It makes absolutely no sense at all...
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Nishant

#12 Posted 11:32pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

awesome substitution in 10.. (I am not sure if i would have thought of the same :)
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kaymant

#13 Posted 11:53pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

For 2) use the following general result:

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\int_0^\pi%20\ln(1-2a\cos%20x+a^2)\%20\mathrm%20dx%20=\left\{\begin{matrix}%200%20&%20\text{%20if%20}%20|a|\le%201\\[2ex]%202\pi\ln%20|a|%20&%20\text{%20if%20}%20|a|%3E1%20\end{matrix}}\right.[/im]
to get the required result as [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?2\pi%20\ln%203[/im]
 Edited on 00:01am 15-03-10    

govind

#14 Posted 11:57pm 12-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

Sir can we derive this formula without using the hint given by che?
   

kaymant

#15 Posted 00:09am 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

Yes.. it could be done without that substitution. I think it has already been done in this forum itself. But I am unable to find that particular thread.
   

Nishant

#16 Posted 00:40am 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

Yes it was one which was replied completely by prophet sir.. let me try to search that one..
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xYz

#17 Posted 01:11am 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?%5Ctext%7Bif%20we%20substituite%20%7D%201+a%5E2-2a%5Ccos%20x%20%3Dt%20%5C%5C%20%5Ctext%7B%20then%20the%20integral%20boils%20to%20%7D%5C%5C%20%5Cint_%7Ba_1%7D%5E%7Ba_2%7D%7B%5Cfrac%7B%5Clog%20%28t%29dt%7D%7B%5Csqrt%7Bt-a_1%7D%5Csqrt%7Bt-a_2%7D%7D%7D%5C%5C%20%5Ctext%7Bnow%20we%20can%20go%20by%20parts%7D%5C%5C%20%5Ctext%7Bhere%20%7Da_1%3D%28a-1%29%5E2%20%5C%20and%20%5C%20a_2%3D%28a+1%29%5E2[/im]
but how to go about by che's hint ?
 Edited on 01:12am 13-03-10    

Nishant

#18 Posted 01:24am 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

no not that way.. the better way was to take x = pi-x

then add both the integrals to find 2I..

Then go about using some trick to prove that there is some kind of a reccursion!


-when spring comes, it melts the snow one flake at a time…    

Soumik

#19 Posted 3:35pm 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

For the 3rd sum, differentiate w.r.t a, then evaluate the integral, followed by an indefinite one w.r.t. a.
   

" ____________

#20 Posted 4:12pm 13-03-10  

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2 . problem given in arihant


substitution  is given in

arihant indefinite integrals

solved examples

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 Edited on 4:34pm 13-03-10    

xYz

#21 Posted 5:47pm 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

is this ok ?
following che's hint
[im]http://alt1.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/latexrender/pictures/2/b/4/2b4ebe2e52e7f80b6175226fe4f51d780450e1ac.gif[/im]
   

Nishant

#22 Posted 10:06pm 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

no karna.. the second last step, you cant take the summation outside!

Think something better... slightly...

I think you have made a mistake in positioning of the bracket.
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xYz

#23 Posted 10:23pm 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

actually i didnt mean taking summation outside
i meant taking integral inside
   

xYz

#24 Posted 10:32pm 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

sir i meant the bracket in second last line is closed after the integration is performed
sorry for that
actually these latex symbols made me so confused about placing  
i hope its correct now
 Edited on 10:36pm 13-03-10    

Soumik

#25 Posted 10:58pm 13-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

Are these things at all are reqd?

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%28k%29%3D%5Cint_%7B0%7D%5E%7B%5Cpi%7D%7Bln%28k+cos%5Calpha%29d%5Calpha%7D[/im]

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%27%28k%29%3D%5Cint_%7B0%7D%5E%7B%5Cpi%7D%7B%5Cfrac%7Bd%5Calpha%7D%7Bk+cos%5Calpha%7D%7D%3D%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Csqrt%7Bk%5E2-1%7D%7D%5Cleft%5C%7Bcos%5E%7B-1%7D%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7Bk+1%7D%7Bk+1%7D%20%5Cright%29-cos%5E%7B-1%7D%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B1-k%7D%7Bk-1%7D%20%5Cright%29%20%5Cright%5C%7D[/im]

From which we get  

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%27%28k%29%3D%5Cfrac%7B-%5Cpi%7D%7B%5Csqrt%7Bk%5E2-1%7D%7D[/im]

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%28k%29%3D-%5Cpi%20ln%7Ck+%5Csqrt%7Bk%5E2-1%7D%7C+c[/im]

For figuring out the const. we have for k=1, [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%281%29%3D2%5Cint_%7B0%7D%5E%7B%5Cfrac%7B%5Cpi%7D%7B2%7D%7D%7Bln%28sin%5Calpha%29%20d%5Calpha%7D%3D2%5Cpi%20ln%20%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B2%7D%20%5Cright%29[/im]

Thus the const. [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?c%3D2%5Cpi%20ln%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B2%7D%20%5Cright%29[/im], and we need [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B10%7D%7B6%7D%20%5Cright%29[/im].

Many might be wondering what the heck [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B10%7D%7B6%7D%20%5Cright%29[/im] - let me clear that.

See [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?ln%2810+6cos%5Calpha%29%3Dln6%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B10%7D%7B6%7D+cos%5Calpha%20%5Cright%29%3Dln6+ln%5Cleft%28%5Cfrac%7B10%7D%7B6%7D+cos%5Calpha%20%5Cright%29[/im].....

Finally plugging the values, we have the ans as [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?%5Cboxed%7BI%3D2%5Cpi%20ln3%7D[/im] - as said by kaymant sir.

Done!!! [56]
   

kaymant

#26 Posted 02:30am 15-03-10  

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@soumik
I was wondering how you got that integral in the second step in terms of cos inverse.
   

Soumik

#27 Posted 2:44pm 15-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

Sir, but that's an integral of the form

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?%5Cint%20%5Cfrac%7Bdx%7D%7Ba+bcosx%7D[/im], which here turns out to be [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Csqrt%7Bk%5E2-1%7D%7Dcos%5E%7B-1%7D%5Cleft%5B%5Cfrac%7B1+kcosx%7D%7Bk+cosx%7D%5Cright%5D%20_%7B0%7D%5E%7B%5Cpi%7D[/im]....sorry if I'm making some silly error - but pls ppoint it out to me.
   

Nishant

#28 Posted 0:10pm 16-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

how did this change to a definite integral?
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Soumik

#29 Posted 1:34pm 16-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

AArey sir, put the limits....[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?%5Cint_%7B0%7D%5E%7B%5Cpi%7D%7B%5Cfrac%7Bdx%7D%7Ba+bcosx%7D%7D[/im] Here a=k and b=1.
   

Manmay

#30 Posted 10:47am 24-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

Consider integrating [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\,\phi(\alpha)=\int_0^\pi\,\ln(1-2\alpha\cos(x)+\alpha^2)\;dx\, %20[/im]
now,
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?    \begin{align} \frac{d}{d\alpha}\,\phi(\alpha)\, &=\int_0^\pi \frac{-2\cos(x)+2\alpha}{1-2\alpha \cos(x)+\alpha^2}\;dx\, \\ &=\frac{1}{\alpha}\int_0^\pi\,\left(1-\frac{(1-\alpha)^2}{1-2\alpha \cos(x)+\alpha^2}\,\right)\,dx\, \\ &=\frac{\pi}{\alpha}-\frac{2}{\alpha}\left\{\,\arctan\left(\frac{1+\alpha}{1-\alpha}\cdot\tan\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)\,\right\}\,\bigg|_0^\pi. \end{align} %20[/im]
As x varies from 0 to [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\pi[/im], [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\left(\frac{1+\alpha}{1-\alpha}\cdot\tan\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)\, %20 [/im]varies through positive values from 0 to infinity when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?-1%3C\alpha%20%3C1[/im]   and [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\left(\frac{1+\alpha}{1-\alpha}\cdot\tan\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)\, %20 [/im] varies through negative values from [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?0%20,%20-\infty[/im] when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha%20%3C%20-1,or,\alpha%20%3E1[/im]
Hence,
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\\arctan\left(\frac{1+\alpha}{1-\alpha}\cdot\tan\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)\,\bigg|_0^\pi=\frac{\pi}{2}\,[/im] when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?-1%3C\alpha%20%3C1[/im]
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\\arctan\left(\frac{1+\alpha}{1-\alpha}\cdot\tan\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)\right)\,\bigg|_0^\pi=-\frac{\pi}{2}\,[/im] when  [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha%20%3C%20-1,or,\alpha%20%3E1[/im]
Therefore ,
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\frac{d}{d\alpha}\,\phi(\alpha)\,=0\,[/im] when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?-1%3C\alpha%20%3C1[/im]
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\frac{d}{d\alpha}\,\phi(\alpha)\,=\frac{2\pi}{\alpha}\,[/im] when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha%20%3C%20-1,or,\alpha%20%3E1[/im]
Upon integrating both sides with respect to wrt [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha[/im] we get [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\phi%20(\alpha%20)%20=%20C_{1}[/im] when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?-1%3C\alpha%20%3C1[/im]

and [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\phi%20(\alpha%20)%20=%202\pi%20ln\left|\alpha%20\right|+C_{2}[/im] when [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha%20%3C%20-1,or,\alpha%20%3E1[/im]
C[ss]1[/ss] can be determined by setting [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha[/im] = 0

we get C[ss]1[/ss] = 0
to determine C[ss]2[/ss] we substitute http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\alpha%20=\frac{1}{\beta%20} where [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?-1%3C\beta%20%3C1[/im]
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?     \begin{align} \phi(\alpha) &=\int_0^\pi\left(\ln(1-2\beta \cos(x)+\beta^2)-2\ln|\beta|\right)\;dx\, \\ &=0-2\pi\ln|\beta|\, \\ &=2\pi\ln|\alpha|\, \end{align} [/im]
hence we can conclude [im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\phi%20(\alpha%20)%20=%200,-1%3C\alpha%20%3C1[/im] and
[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?\phi%20(\alpha%20)%20=%202\pi%20ln\left|\alpha%20\right|%20when,-1%3E\alpha%20,\alpha%20%3E1[/im]

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#31 Posted 10:58pm 24-03-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

[im]http://codecogs.izyba.com/gif.latex?I=\int_{0}^{1}{\frac{x^{a-1}-x^{-a}}{(1+x)lnx}dx}%20\\=\int_{0}^{1}{\frac{x^{a-1}}{(1+x)lnx}dx}-\int_{0}^{1}{\frac{x^{-a}}{(1+x)lnx}dx}%20\\%20\\Substitute\:%20x=\frac{1}{t}%20\:%20in\:%20second\:%20integral%20\\we\:%20get:%20\\=\int_{0}^{1}{\frac{x^{a-1}}{(1+x)lnx}dx}+\int_{1}^{\infty}{\frac{t^{a-1}}{(1+t)lnt}dt}%20\\=\int_{0}^{\infty}{\frac{x^{a-1}}{(1+x)lnx}dx}%20\\Consider:\:%20f(a)=\int_{0}^{\infty}{\frac{x^{a-1}}{(1+x)lnx}dx}%20\\\frac{\partial%20f}{\partial%20a}=\int_{0}^{\infty}%20{\frac{x^{a-1}}{1+x}dx}%20\\Now\:%20substitute\:%20x=\frac{1}{z}-1%20\\You\:%20will\:%20get:%20\\\frac{\partial%20f}{\partial%20a}=%20\int_{0}^{1}{z^{-a}(1-z)^{1-a}}=\beta(1-a,a)=\pi cosec(a\pi)%20\\f(a)=-ln\left|cosec\pi%20a+cot\pi%20a%20\right|+c%20\\f\left(\frac{1}{2}%20\right)=0%20\\or,\:%20c-ln\left|cosec\frac{\pi}{2}%20+cot\frac{\pi}{2}%20\right|=0%20\\or,\:%20c=0%20\\Therefore:%20\:%20I=-ln\left|cosec\pi%20a+cot\pi%20a%20\right|[/im]

Beta function is not in JEE syllabus. I have used a property of beta function in my solution only because I was not able to evaluate the integral in any other way.

Do point out any mistake in my solution.
Keyboard is mightier than the sword.  Edited on 07:35am 25-03-10    



#32 Posted 9:18pm 16-05-10  

Re: Nice Integral-~~~~

well this was solved beautifully by nishant and theprophet sir

http://targetiit.com/iit-jee-forum/posts/prove-the-following-11283.html
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